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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: joywind on March 22, 2012, 08:16 am
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Is there a serious risk of neurodegeneration or cognitive impairment from moderate use of methamphetamine?
I've been searching for information on the long-term neurological effects of methamphetamine, but all the research I've come across only deals with the effects of chronic methamphetamine use, overdosing, etc.
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Safety first! Unless your taking Pharm grade Meth HCL in tablet form/low dose tis definitely not safe no matter how much antiox you use :(
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moderate meth use? thats funny, almost like using a chainsaw to cut toast.
why not use moderate amounts of a less powerful stim like ritalin, modifnal, 4-fa.
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No, there is no danger in getting all that crap you described from "moderate" use of meth. If you get brain damaged or retarded from meth then you did a whole lot at once or have done it for a long time, and this isn't moderate use.
I;ve seen some fools do some crazy amounts and not get brain damage. I mean, they aren't right after they do it, but they aren't retarded or brain damaged.
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depends on your interpretation of moderate. people have to understand the most unhealthy part of meth is malnutrition and lack of sleep. those kill you quicker then any drug. as long as you eat and sleep you will be fine.
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people have to understand the most unhealthy part of meth is malnutrition and lack of sleep. those kill you quicker then any drug. as long as you eat and sleep you will be fine.
THIS
Thank you.
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people have to understand the most unhealthy part of meth is malnutrition and lack of sleep. those kill you quicker then any drug. as long as you eat and sleep you will be fine.
THIS
Thank you.
Liquid diets are a must for binges.
I drink Green Goddess and other drinks filled with nutrients and vitamins.
Eat jello and bananas.
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depends on your interpretation of moderate. people have to understand the most unhealthy part of meth is malnutrition and lack of sleep. those kill you quicker then any drug. as long as you eat and sleep you will be fine.
Amen
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Is there a serious risk of neurodegeneration or cognitive impairment from moderate use of methamphetamine?
I've been searching for information on the long-term neurological effects of methamphetamine, but all the research I've come across only deals with the effects of chronic methamphetamine use, overdosing, etc.
Damn nigga smoke a fat blunt and lay off the crystal
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Is there a serious risk of neurodegeneration or cognitive impairment from moderate use of methamphetamine?
I've been searching for information on the long-term neurological effects of methamphetamine, but all the research I've come across only deals with the effects of chronic methamphetamine use, overdosing, etc.
Damn nigga smoke a fat blunt and lay off the crystal
Haha.. heard that :P
Dude, everything in moderation is just fine. Everything in excess is well.. just that.
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malnutrition and lack of sleep. those kill you quicker then any drug.
Not true as long as you keep redosing :P
You'd be amazed at how long the human body can function without food!
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malnutrition and lack of sleep. those kill you quicker then any drug.
Not true as long as you keep redosing :P
You'd be amazed at how long the human body can function without food!
lol, spoken like a true meth head- unfortunately this is so far from the truth it's not even funny. yes the body can survive without food but that is not the same as saying it's good for you.
the problem with meth is that it's so good at tricking your body into going into flight or fight mode that you don't receive the normal signals telling you to eat because the only thing it's concerned about is surviving. dialated pupils to see better, constricted blood vessels to preserver internal organs, and increase in body temp. to stop us from cramping.
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I was more or less joking when I posted that. Not the greatest of jokes, although you have to admit it did make you smile a little!
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Anytime I decide to have an "extra long day ;D" I always make sure to continue my multi vitamins, drink lots of water, and even those ensure drinks or whatever food supplement milkshakes you can get. I still like to lay down and close my eyes eventhough I cant sleep even a little pretend sleep seems to rejuvenate me lol call me crazy but I think it works!! ;D
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Is there a serious risk of neurodegeneration or cognitive impairment from moderate use of methamphetamine?
I've been searching for information on the long-term neurological effects of methamphetamine, but all the research I've come across only deals with the effects of chronic methamphetamine use, overdosing, etc.
I know many different people that started smoking meth with similar intentions. They care about being safe and they didnt want to risk using meth often because they knew it is bad when used often. Most of them did fairly well for a few months or so...But they all ended up using large amounts and more frequently than they initially planned.
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I mean smoking is arguably the most addictive means of consuming meth. Perhaps oral consumption would allow for better moderation. Not much different than amphetamine scripts in low doses.
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Meth is great, you cant do it in moderation.. because you get a demon inside you that needs to feed... and when that demon needs to feed there is nothing in it's way that will stop it..
:)
I know several moderate and responsible heroin users. There are people who can exercise very good self-control with highly addictive drugs.
Why should it be any different with methamphetamine.
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i dont find the pipe that addictive i'll take a couple hits every 6-8 hours only fiend on the first hits, so i get it all going. :) right now it's been 5 hours since 2 its.
:) nomad
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I try to space out my meth pipe hits once every 2-3 weeks. I just have so many other SR drugs to play with too, heh.
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You can do anything in moderation. It's all in ya fucking head.
You just have to remember not to get very caught up in little shit. The meth amplifies all your feelings and emotions and you'll find yourself getting distracted and overthinking shit WAY too much.
I see this happen to my friend all the time. Especially since he hides his use from his girlfriend. One phone call sends him into a panic because he doesn't know whether to answer it or not. He calms down by trying to smoke more. Not if I'm there, I usually tell him he's done and to talk to her and just act NORMAL.
Someone mentioned that you should be getting the proper amount of nutrition and again this cannot be stressed enough. For us girls the thought of losing a couple pounds really quick can be an appealing and tempting prospect, but in the end, you end up looking sucked in and not very sexy at all. Smoke, take vitamins, drink plenty of water (I prefer Naked juice or smoothies), eat fruit or small meals like sandwiches, exercise a little bit (sex is AMAZING), and just keep your use moderated to your weekend.
Whether your weekend is in the middle of the week or Friday-Sun, just remember that your last day is your rest & recovery day, this day is sacred. If you stop using JUST before your go to class or work and haven't gotten any rest, it WILL show.
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This is a first post for me, I read the forums all the time so I decided to join in.
Remember, "methamphetamine" is nothing new. Its been around for many many years. JFK or maybe it was Robert Kennedy took injections. If you want to use meth safely, don't just jump in and start smoking it. Buy a .5 bag or whatever and crush it up to smitherines. The finer you grind it the better it will work. Weigh out a baby baby baby bump, say 10mg or so. Snort it. Its cool. You will like it. You can add to your dose after an hour or so and play it by ear.
We started doing this about 4 months ago and no problems so far but have done the binges, up 36 hrs and stuff but that was by choice it was not like we took a heavy hit off the proverbial Dick and lit up for 3 days. hehe.....
I have been around drugs my whole life and there is much worse shit out there than Meth. Meth is cool, meth is fun and safe when used correctly but as always....... R E S P E C T !! Tina gets a few people reeeaaaal bad.
CB
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Someone please enlighten me about speed and meth. I want to replicate the state of mind depicted in the movie "Limitless".
I already have techniques that achieve this naturally (training programs such as zoxpro.com) so my drug usage will be to jump-start the progress.
What is the difference between the two besides effective dosage and side effects? Can you replicate the productivity you get on meth by upping your speed dosage?
Maximum efficiency with minimal effort is what I'm all about. How much meth or speed & other drugs do I need to take to start feeling like the guy in "Limitless"?
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All of those commercials for the "Meth: Not even Once" campaign have convinced me never to try meth. Scary and powerful shit.
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Don't see how, took very minor oral dose and the comedown still feels like what people who were shot in the head and lived probably go through when they come to.
On a utility-handicap scale, not worth it, in my opinion.
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All of those commercials for the "Meth: Not even Once" campaign have convinced me never to try meth. Scary and powerful shit.
Really? For me, even the word commercial/campaign has become synonymous with untrue. I suppose it wouldn't be propaganda if it didn't work on some level....
Honest to god, I interviewed for the job I have now while on meth. They hired me and I did well enough that they fired the guy above me and gave me his job within two months. All the while I was using meth. I don't use meth all the time, but when I do I catch up on the backlog of work we generally have due to poor management/corporate disconnect. Once a month for about a week straight, my company sees a massive push and they're always happy with the results.
Don't get me wrong, meth is fucking hard to use responsibly. But if you can do it, everyone around you will appreciate your efforts and be none the wiser to your deep and criminal secret.
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Who's meth Cyber? From an SR vendor?
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I've done meth once a month or so for years. I'm fine and keep it under control.
I think if you're a normal well adjusted adult to begin with it's not much of a problem.
However if you're not.....
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All of those commercials for the "Meth: Not even Once" campaign have convinced me never to try meth. Scary and powerful shit.
cant really say those adverts hit home, honestly, i have never even met anyone that bad.... maybe its just the company i keep..
im sure some of those adverts ring true, but damn, thats the worst of the worst of the worst...
i guess its more relevant in the US, than say down here.
You're right in saying that the US seems to have larger problems with drugs than elsewhere. As an Aussie looking in I can only guess but the larger gap between rich and poor and lack of access to health care may be to blame.
Certainly in Australia it's "ferals" who seem to get into big meth trouble. Lots of middle class folks seem to do it and be fine, or maybe get in a little too deep and then sort themselves out.
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You really have to know your body.
Personally, I have a very high tolerance to any mental addiction.
Yes, I feel terrible and my body craves it, but my mind never does.. You just need to know your personal limits.
Just look at your normal everyday living, do you get "addicted" to things fast?
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All of those commercials for the "Meth: Not even Once" campaign have convinced me never to try meth. Scary and powerful shit.
Really? For me, even the word commercial/campaign has become synonymous with untrue. I suppose it wouldn't be propaganda if it didn't work on some level....
Honest to god, I interviewed for the job I have now while on meth. They hired me and I did well enough that they fired the guy above me and gave me his job within two months. All the while I was using meth. I don't use meth all the time, but when I do I catch up on the backlog of work we generally have due to poor management/corporate disconnect. Once a month for about a week straight, my company sees a massive push and they're always happy with the results.
Don't get me wrong, meth is fucking hard to use responsibly. But if you can do it, everyone around you will appreciate your efforts and be none the wiser to your deep and criminal secret.
This is a very educated statement. Meth is Meth like I said before. Remember, "methamphetamine" is indeed a legal drug prescribed in the USA under the brand name Desoxyn. Hard as hell to get a script but its out there.
As far as the guy looking to recreate the Limitless state of mind that brought a big big smile to my face cuz that movies kicks. The one thing you should take away from that movie that is very real is that what you learn or train yourself to do on most drugs you retain. Pull away the drug but it does not matter cuz the knowledge and even sometimes the personality shift is there to stay. Cool shit I guess unless you get stuck as you dont start experimenting with really stupid stuff like PCP. That is probably the only drug I would just not plain not ever fuck with, PCP.
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Who's meth Cyber? From an SR vendor?
Yes, although the first time was from one of the very first vendors who started selling on SR about 6 months ago, so it's not a bad batch. There are a lot of people here who only post about positive experiences and how they're happy about getting their packages, the high quality of the drugs, and so on and so forth, and rarely does anyone posts about the bad experiences with undeniably good shit - the comedowns and hangovers. SR forums sometimes feel like giant drug-use advertisement, complete with happy customer testimonials, and since they're built around a marketplace, it's probably only natural.
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I know people who do meth occasionally. I can limit myself especially if I have other stuff on hand like weed or opiates. The last order I bought lasted me at least 3 weeks and it was only a gram. Less is more with stimulants. If I do big lines my tolerance goes up really fast, whereas if I only do a bump here and there I can keep doing about the same amount and get the same effects for a while.
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It's a cost-benefit analysis, a personal risk assessment on a number of fronts. Unfortunately the short answer is using meth even in moderation will result in neurotoxic damage; the 3 way serotonin/norepinephrine/dopamine glissade simply burns a bit too brightly, though under small doses of desoxyn in optimal conditions it will be negligible. The good news is a) It's not necessarily very much damage, b) there's every chance you can regenerate most or all of the damage, depending of course. A lot of it won't be perceptible, or will disappear in fairly short order given time and conditions. The complications, naturally, are manifold. Your own biology, reaction to the drug, self control and accompanying particulars all play a part. Some of the harm minimisation advice here is apt, but I would stress in particular the supposed importance of antioxidants in minimising cognitive stress (vitamin C and friends), and monitoring temperature (overheating is bad) fluid intake and so on.
Responsible usage of less intensive stimulants/other potentially addictive substances beforehand is important, and knowing your own strengths and weaknesses. If you do decide to go down this route, make a plan and stick to it. Pay attention to dosages, consider how much you'll have on hand should you curve towards a bender, and having someone responsible hold onto the remainder & keep you accountable to some degree: to many it will sound laughable or paranoid, but on cost benefit it's a pretty easy safeguard. You may not end up fiending terribly, or even liking it, but at the end of the day as people have said (albeit in a very polarised fashion) the real harm doesn't show up overnight or from a single cause. If some measure of risk and damage is consistent with your lifestyle and goals then you may well accept all of this. If so, I would urge you to stay smart and play it safe.